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Rick F
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Curved interior doors ?
      #6021686 - 08/07/12 08:18 PM


I was asked today if I had ever built curved interior doors.

The entrance hall of the house is a circle and the owner wants interior doors that are curved to match the curve of walls.

He wants a basic 2 panel 7'0 high door x 2'8 wide ..
1-3/8" thick, 5'6" radius circle..


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2beast
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Re: Curved interior doors ? new [Re: Rick F]
      #6021733 - 08/07/12 09:12 PM

I was in a house that the owner built curved doors.

One particularly was not only curved, but it was laminated with oak on one side and walnut on the other

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Rick F
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Re: Curved interior doors ? new [Re: 2beast]
      #6021790 - 08/07/12 10:07 PM

The fella wants basic 2 panel shaker, just square corners..

Paint grade.. Should actually be simple .

Just gotta figure out the inside..


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Termite7
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Re: Curved interior doors ? new [Re: Rick F]
      #6021858 - 08/08/12 12:35 AM

I recently did some curved work. I used pre-bent plywood panels that I ordered from a company on the internet. I laminated bent wood and veneer on top of the plywood...it worked like a champ and kept the project within the customer's budget. It still looks good after 5 years.

The Oval Office has curved doors...just for reference.

T7


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JGrout
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Re: Curved interior doors ? new [Re: Rick F]
      #6022012 - 08/08/12 07:47 AM

yep I have built wine room doors that are curved.

not hard to build..

Joe

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jteneyck
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Re: Curved interior doors ? new [Re: JGrout]
      #6022136 - 08/08/12 09:23 AM

There are other ways, but a vacuum press is probably the easiest way to make curved panels. 1/8" and 3/8" bending plywood is readily available through your local full service lumber yard. You can use the same mold to make the curved rails, also, from solid wood you resaw to 1/8 - 1/4", depending upon the radius you need to turn. Weldwood Plastic Resin glue is a perfect choice for the curved work; also available at most lumber centers.

John


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Wudworkah
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Re: Curved interior doors ? new [Re: Rick F]
      #6022443 - 08/08/12 01:36 PM

Haven't built any myself, but would probably talk them into at least a 1-3/4" if not a full 2-1/4" door. 1-3/8" just looks too thin to me for a custom door....personal preference I guess

good luck,
JeffD


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mike4244
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Re: Curved interior doors ? new [Re: Rick F]
      #6022526 - 08/08/12 02:41 PM

When I was a young boy I saw this done in the cabinet shop I cleaned up in. The door was for an entrance to sculptures in a room in a museum.
I recall the top ,bottom and middle stiles were bandsawed to the radius. I believe the rails were flat.I do recall the rails were not as wide as most doors are.Probably 2or 3" wide .I did not see the panels being made, only after the door was finished.The species was walnut ,the pegs were from a darker wood, don't know for sure.
I know for sure the stiles were draw pegged into the rails.The hardware was pivot hinges, the heavy duty hinges you see with Rickson hardware.
I was about 11 years old ,I think I remembered it correctly.
mike


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hcbph
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Re: Curved interior doors ? new [Re: mike4244]
      #6023160 - 08/09/12 07:51 AM

IIRC, isn't the rail the horizontal pieces in a door and the stiles the vertical?
Regardless, to make a curved panel door for a doorway you'd need curved rails (horizontals) for it's construction. Whether laminated or cut to curve, a couple of issues I see would be cutting the tenons accurately then cutting the groves for the panels. If you used bendable ply, that part should be relatively easy.

Most I ever did was make a new part for a china cabinet that had a curved door with a curved glass panel. From what I remember, it took several attempts and alot of cussing before I got one that looked right. It's not something I care to repeat.


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Bill_de
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Re: Curved interior doors ? new [Re: hcbph]
      #6023176 - 08/09/12 08:02 AM

hcbph said:

Whether laminated or cut to curve, a couple of issues I see would be cutting the tenons accurately ...




Since OP posted this in the power tool forum, I guess it would be OK to suggest it's a good excuse to buy that new super sized Domino.

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Rick F
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Re: Curved interior doors ? new [Re: Bill_de]
      #6023495 - 08/09/12 11:19 AM

Hmm.. There is a company in our area who does them.

I thought I would share the feedback ..

They make a jig .. basically 2 pieces of curved MDF .. Then they cut a bazillion strips of 1/4" Mahogany ply ..

They seem to make all the rails curved by bending them over the jig and clamping them .. The outside laminations would be paintable, or stainable .. whatever was needed..

Using the same jig over and over makes the same parts over and over .. They claim its way more accurate than bandsawing a curved style..


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JGrout
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Re: Curved interior doors ? new [Re: Rick F]
      #6023538 - 08/09/12 11:46 AM

Quote:

They claim its way more accurate than bandsawing a curved style..




I would hope so.

considering just how little radius the stile in a door would have in it. (~3/64" in 5" of width)

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ruffcutt
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Re: Curved interior doors ? new [Re: Rick F]
      #6023663 - 08/09/12 12:58 PM

Not that I have any advice but are we talking curved doors or arched top doors?

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JGrout
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Re: Curved interior doors ? new [Re: ruffcutt]
      #6023903 - 08/09/12 04:06 PM

ruffcutt said:


Not that I have any advice but are we talking curved doors or arched top doors?




My definition of the two terms:

You shape an arch

You form a curve.

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jteneyck
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Re: Curved interior doors ? new [Re: hcbph]
      #6024136 - 08/09/12 07:35 PM

hcbph said:


Whether laminated or cut to curve, a couple of issues I see would be cutting the tenons accurately then cutting the groves for the panels. If you used bendable ply, that part should be relatively easy.






Loose tenon joinery makes it pretty easy to assemble a curved door. Cut the rails to length then route the mortises in both the stiles and rails, using whatever fixture you prefer to make sure the router bit is 90 deg. to the ends of the rails. Here's how I fixtured a rail for a curved cabinet door.







I'd use the same approach for a room door. Of course, everything would be larger, but the approach would be the same.

The grooves in the rails are easy to cut on the router table, if you first make a curved template against which to ride the workpiece.

John


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Re: Curved interior doors ? new [Re: Rick F]
      #6024519 - 08/10/12 07:17 AM

Interesting job. Good reason to buy a vacuum bag if you don't already have one. I would use bending plywood for the panels and veneer them, you'd get very little spring back. Don't forget you'll have to make the casings as well as the doors, right down to the moldings. It's definitely doable, you'll learn alot, Cover yourself price wise though. In some respects, circular work is simple, all you need is one dimension(radius), curvelinar stuff is another mater.
Bill


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hcbph
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Re: Curved interior doors ? new [Re: Herebrooks]
      #6026539 - 08/11/12 07:45 PM

No offense John, but I've dealt with warped doors that have more curve than that example. I've seen pictures of some mansions with interior doors than have probably a 15-30 degree arc in them. That adds more issues to the construction.

What I was referring to previously most would refer to as a bow front or curved curio cabinet. You can have a door that has to turn 90 degrees on each end of the thing, plus having glass in them. I've had to make those curved pieces a couple of time, it's a bear in a couple of them because of a combination of glass and solid panels.

They can be real stinkers to make in selected situations.


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Re: Curved interior doors ? new [Re: hcbph]
      #6026857 - 08/12/12 09:47 AM

hcbph said:


No offense John, but I've dealt with warped doors that have more curve than that example. I've seen pictures of some mansions with interior doors than have probably a 15-30 degree arc in them. That adds more issues to the construction.

What I was referring to previously most would refer to as a bow front or curved curio cabinet. You can have a door that has to turn 90 degrees on each end of the thing, plus having glass in them. I've had to make those curved pieces a couple of time, it's a bear in a couple of them because of a combination of glass and solid panels.

They can be real stinkers to make in selected situations.





No offense taken. I would use the same techniques to make a door that had to turn even 90 deg. How about something that bends 180 deg?



I made those arched rails and panels the same way except I didn't have a vacuum bag back then. I made a single mold, wide enough for the veneered panels, and pulled the laminations down over the mold with a canvas cloth sling with pipes at both ends through a set of cables on both sides. The panels were made with two 1/8" layers of bending plywood and veneered on both sides. I used the same mold, after removing a 1/4" shim, for the narrower, 3/4"+ thick arches, which were made from solid stock that I resawed and sanded to about 1/8". I used Weldwood Plastic Resin Glue for all of the bent work and had very little rebound. I routed the grooves in the arches on the router table, just as I described. The joinery is loose tenons.

John


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hcbph
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Re: Curved interior doors ? new [Re: jteneyck]
      #6027091 - 08/12/12 03:00 PM

Sounds like you're talking arched doors while I've been referring to curved. Take a look at the various curved doors here and you'll see what I'm talking about:
http://chestercountyantiques.net/Bow%20front%20china%20cabinet.html


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mike4244
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Re: Curved interior doors ? new [Re: hcbph]
      #6027111 - 08/12/12 03:42 PM

You're correct, I got it backwards.The rails were bandsawed to the curve. Then draw pegged to the stiles.
mike


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