woodsman83192
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Was thinking about getting a cyclone/separator style can for my shop vac. Was wondering which one is the better one. The Rockler is on sale now with free shipping at $70, but the Dust Deputy is just a cyclone for $50. They are 2 different style units, I am leaning towards the Rockler for the 15% off and Free Shipping.
Any information you can give me would be great, here are the links.
Thanks
Rockler Dust Right
Dust Deputy
Jake
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JR1
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You are not comparing similar units. This is the comparable DustDeputy . I have the Dust Deputy and a friend has the Rockler the DD is a bit better designed and built;they both do the job just fine. Although my friend had to use tub and tile sealer to make an effective seal for the Rockler. You will need at least a 2" (50mm) to go to your DC/Vac.
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woodsman83192
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I had only put that one linked because I would have just used a tub that I have here for the base, hardware, etc. But I suppose by the time I get everything and find a good seal for the DD I would have spent more than the Rockler unit..Thanks
Jake
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bj²
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Dust deputy according to Marc Spagnuolo:
He also goes over hose compatibility, which may be helpful.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Ct5R6_bj80
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NiteWalker
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I have the rockler (caught it on sale).
Shopping now I'd get the dust deputy.
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woodsman83192
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Very interesting. Well, I guess I will not need to rush to Rockler.com and take advantage of the 'good' deal...I've got time to wait and get the Oneida it seems.
Cheers
Jake
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GNP
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Works pretty good with a Lowes bucket, and a with a little foam tape any hose will fit.
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NWOhioJim
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Build a Thien separator. You can size it to your needs and it is a lot of fun to build and cheaper.
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Steve N
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I just got the Rockler unit, and haven`t used it enough yet to offer a detailed review. What I can say is I had rolled my own a few years ago, and the Rockler is much better at maintaining suction than my Ho made one was, and I used a lot of tape, caulk, spit, and anything else I thought might help. Mine was pre Thein, so it didn`t have a baffle, maybe some day I`ll try again, but the Dust Right fit well under the table I had in mind to use it on, and it does what I had hoped it would......................keep dust off of my filters 
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cputnam
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Woodcraft sells a plastic lid for a standard 30 gal metal trashcan (which I happen to have) for $25. My problem with the DD is the 5 gal capacity.
I have a Dewalt 735 planer which has a chip blower to help excavate chips. Those chips exit with a lot of force, so I'm hoping to use the metal trashcan/lid with a Shopvac on the exit side. Because I'm dealing with a planer there needs to be more capacity than 5 gal. Heck, even a general shop cleanup generates about 10 gal. I know, because my wife just did it.
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JR1
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Well someone had a metal DD high capacity on S'NS and a shop I occasionally deal with has a couple DD on 55 gallon drums.
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Jim Tincher
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I've had the Dust Deputy since it came out several years ago, it's been a solid performer.
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Steve N
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cputnam said:
I have a Dewalt 735 planer which has a chip blower to help excavate chips. Those chips exit with a lot of force, so I'm hoping to use the metal trashcan/lid with a Shopvac on the exit side. Because I'm dealing with a planer there needs to be more capacity than 5 gal. Heck, even a general shop cleanup generates about 10 gal. I know, because my wife just did it.
Not trying to misdirect the thread, but have you tried this accessory item for your 735 I have been using one for several years, recently had to replace mine because the flow of chips going through degraded the material, and I had an air leak. LOML swears she is working on patching it  so I bought rather than wait. It`s function off of just the very powerful blower is accomplished by finding the proper angle of the tubing to get optimal flow. Shroud goes right over a standard trash can 39 gallon IIRC.
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Arlin Eastman
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I bought the dust deputy and it does a good job, however, after having it only 2 weeks about 1 year ago the top poped off.
I called them and told them what happened and that I would like a different one. They wrote me back telling me how to fix it.
After 4 times of trying their fixes which did not work I strapped it together on two sides.
In so saying I like the product but hate the customer service and so will not be buying anything else from them.
To bad too I need some of their stuff for the Club.
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woodsman83192
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Would anyone suggest getting the separator that uses the 30 or 55 gallon, or whatever it is sized on that has the 4" ports...just one of the $25 ones and then using it with a 2" hosed 16gallon craftsman shop vac? Or would that step down in the hose with such a big 30/55 gallon drum be too much for a good sized shop vac?
Jake
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woodsman83192
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Here is the one I was talking about in the post above this...
http://www.woodcraft.com/Product/2004310/8981/Trash-Can-Cyclone-Lid.aspx#Information
I have a feeling that a shop vac would not work well with the 30 gallon bin...
Jake
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Gabby
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Jake , I have rocklers version of the lid & 4" ports you referenced in Woodcraft link . You only get the fittings from the Rockler set ( no lid ) I made my own lid and it works fine . I have it in-between my table saw and dust right wall mount dust collecter . I haven't had to empty the bag for quite some time . I do have the Dust Deputy on my shop vac . I like it also , yeah you have to dump the 5 gallon bucket but better than taking the vac apart . Gary
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Arlin Eastman
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woodsman83192 said:
Here is the one I was talking about in the post above this...
http://www.woodcraft.com/Product/2004310/8981/Trash-Can-Cyclone-Lid.aspx#Information
I have a feeling that a shop vac would not work well with the 30 gallon bin...
Jake
Jack
I have that exact one I bought from Woodcraft and have never used it. I will give it to you if you want it. The only thing is I have not found the right angle part that goes on the inside. It is the standard one for all machines.
Send me a PM and you can have it.
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cputnam
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Steve, Yes I bought that accessory as soon as I discovered it existed. Hood would not bite on the metal can nor would the drawcord seal. Chips & dust all over.
I'm thinking about using either the Rockler Vortex if I can get a 4" input for it or the Woodcraft top to fit the 30 gal can with a stepdown to the 2 1/2" hose on the Shopvac. I'm thinking that the Shopvac might draw enough air to keep things from backing up in the can and output hose. Be pretty useless for just sweeping the floor though. Good as the vortex might be for sweeping the floor Id doubt that it would be any good for the planer without a 4" input.
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