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RokJok
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Baileigh Industrial lathes -- Good? Bad? Other?
      #6501454 - 09/13/13 07:10 AM

Does anyone here drive (or has driven) a Baileigh Industrial lathe and, if so, what is your opinion of its good points, shortcomings, and features you'd like to add/change on it?

I'm considering pulling the trigger on a 12-20, so am looking for first-hand experiences with them.

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RokJok
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Re: Baileigh Industrial lathes -- Good? Bad? Other? new [Re: RokJok]
      #6501903 - 09/13/13 12:42 PM

Here is the specific model I'm eyeballing at present:
http://wood.baileighindustrial.com/bench-top-wood-lathe-wl-1220vs

I like the built-in capability for outboard turning. The threaded mounting holes in the handwheel to facilitate it and the standard outboard tool rest mount are nice features IMHO.

I talked to CS rep at Baileigh's California location and got a little more info on that lathe.

-- NO REVERSE!!
That's too bad, since with a DC motor and (I assume) a VFD, it would have been simple enough to implement. Or is there something I'm missing about this lathe or motor that says it can't be done, or at least can't be done easily?

-- Spindle is 1-1/4" x 8 TPI.
So I will need to get a new chuck adapter (insert Y at this page) for it, since my current Jet Mini 1014 has a 1" x 8 TPI spindle. Fortunately, both the Jet and the Baileigh 1220 have MT2 tapers, so my drive and tail-stock centers should work.

-- Shipping will add just under $200 to get it from CA to WA state. Total cost then is pretty much at the $800 mark. Good news is that there is no sales tax on that, since they don't have WA state location.


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Re: Baileigh Industrial lathes -- Good? Bad? Other? new [Re: RokJok]
      #6502073 - 09/13/13 02:32 PM

That wood lathe sure looks a lot like this one!

http://www.grizzly.com/products/12-x-20-Heavy-Duty-Bench-Top-Wood-Lathe/G0658


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Re: Baileigh Industrial lathes -- Good? Bad? Other? new [Re: Wildwood]
      #6502123 - 09/13/13 03:10 PM

WW, you are correct. Thanks for pointing that Griz out to me.

Except for the price, paint color, and spindle threads (Griz = 1" x 8 TPI), they could be twins right down to the outboard turning rest slots. I'm within a few hours of Bellingham WA so could drive up there to pick it up and save the shipping charge.


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Re: Baileigh Industrial lathes -- Good? Bad? Other? new [Re: RokJok]
      #6502236 - 09/13/13 05:17 PM

RokJok said:


Except for the price, paint color, and spindle threads (Griz = 1" x 8 TPI), they could be twins



To me there is another major difference, the one you are looking at states 8 amps (readable in the photo) and the HF spec sheet states 3.2 amps.

I would go ahead and get the "L" insert. It is already tapped with the setscrew for reverse if you ever need it with a different lathe. No difference in price.

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Re: Baileigh Industrial lathes -- Good? Bad? Other? new [Re: NCPaladin]
      #6502753 - 09/14/13 10:28 AM

NCPaladin said:

To me there is another major difference, the one you are looking at states 8 amps (readable in the photo) and the HF spec sheet states 3.2 amps.


You are correct.

But what's weird is that both DC motors are spec'ed at 3/4 HP, in spite of the large (2.5 x) difference in amp rating. Anyone have an explanation or speculation of how they do that? Perhaps the Griz is rating the motor with Sears HP.

With the same HP rating, I wonder "How does that translate to torque applied at the spindle to the workpiece?" Really, that is the pragmatic consideration IMHO -- Will the machine bog down if I get a little aggressive hogging off material or will it laugh at my girly-man efforts and keep rotating at speed/torque as if nothing were happening?

Quote:

I would go ahead and get the "L" insert. It is already tapped with the setscrew for reverse if you ever need it with a different lathe. No difference in price.


NCP, good eye on spotting the free upgrade with the L insert. Thanks for highlighting that.

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Wildwood
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Re: Baileigh Industrial lathes -- Good? Bad? Other? new [Re: RokJok]
      #6502777 - 09/14/13 11:15 AM

Too bad cannot see Grizzly motor plate, not sure what to believe on spec sheet and specs located in manual the same. Motor plates on both lathes look the same! Had to go to customer review page to see G0658 motor plate better but still cannot read information.

Did you see the caveat “specifications subject to change without notice.” WL-1220VS spec sheet?

If were really interested might shoot off some emails, to each company for clarification. To me both lathes the same other than color!

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Re: Baileigh Industrial lathes -- Good? Bad? Other? new [Re: RokJok]
      #6502784 - 09/14/13 11:22 AM

This short article in layman's terms explains it.
This article is for AC but DC is very close I believe.
http://www.kevinsbrady.net/motors.pdf

You are right about Sears. My Nova lathe is 1.5 Hp; maybe I should buy this vac, swap the motor, and my lathe would then be 6.5 hp on a 120 circuit. Right.
http://www.sears.com/shop-vac-6.5-peak-h...mp;blockType=G1

I allways look at the amps and not at the mfg. HP rating.

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Re: Baileigh Industrial lathes -- Good? Bad? Other? new [Re: NCPaladin]
      #6503053 - 09/14/13 05:58 PM

NCPaladin, if you check out ¾ HP 115V JWL 1220VS motor state 3.5 amps!
Are you absolutely sure seeing 8 amps vice 3.2? AMP’s will definitely differ between 110 & 115 Volts.

After all we are talking about made in China electrical motors.

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Re: Baileigh Industrial lathes -- Good? Bad? Other? new [Re: Wildwood]
      #6503487 - 09/15/13 10:09 AM

Wildwood said:


NCPaladin, if you check out ¾ HP 115V JWL 1220VS motor state 3.5 amps!
Are you absolutely sure seeing 8 amps vice 3.2? AMP’s will definitely differ between 110 & 115 Volts.





I am not sure of anything. This is from research I did a few years ago. While the link is the best I found in layman’s terms one thing was consistent with every source; it takes 746 watts to generate 1 HP.
At 110V it takes 6.78 amps (746/110); at 115V it takes 6.49 amps. This is at 100% efficiency and most sources gave the average efficiency to be about 60-70%. Most all sources stated it took about 10 amps on 115 to generated 1 HP on AC. Most also stated DC motors were used where variable speed was need because they maintained torque better than AC motors at slower speed and tended to be on the higher end of efficiency. I have never found a chart for DC such as the link above for AC.
Given the real motor efficiency is unknown the amps required should give a good comparison. At least you can tell if the stated HP falls sorta within the norm.

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Re: Baileigh Industrial lathes -- Good? Bad? Other? new [Re: NCPaladin]
      #6503707 - 09/15/13 03:33 PM

I am merely asking you where do you get 8 amps for that Baileigh mini lathe.

“To me there is another major difference, the one you are looking at states 8 amps (readable in the photo) and the HF spec sheet states 3.2 amps.”

Even with my best reading glasses can not read motor data plates on any posted lathe pictures.

Depending upon type of motor can find many answers based upon motor efficiency. Using simple HP times 746 = watts and Watts divided by volts = amps cannot even come up with either 8 or 3.2 amps. Given electric motor compliance standards for here and around the world certainly understand why my math not correct.

Baileigh wood lathes look so much like Grizzly and Laguna wood lathes can only guess made in the same factories.

Laguna just started selling a 10-16” ½ hp mini similar to Grizzly’s they list 3 amp vice 3.2 amp for their lathe on the spec sheet. Like Baileigh they do not always list amps on spec sheets.

http://www.lagunatools.com/lathes/Revo-10x16-Mini-Lathe#

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Re: Baileigh Industrial lathes -- Good? Bad? Other? new [Re: Wildwood]
      #6503747 - 09/15/13 04:18 PM

I can see the 8 A @ 90volts clearly. Did you enlarge with a click, then roll over the pic?

Seems a good 3/4 rating.

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Re: Baileigh Industrial lathes -- Good? Bad? Other? new [Re: RokJok]
      #6503780 - 09/15/13 04:53 PM

Fourth picture, If you hover over it should enlarge. It actually shows volts at 90 and amps at 8.
That is still 720 watts (720/746) or .95 HP

At 110V it would take 6.78 amps at 100% efficiency to generate 1 HP. The 8 amp motor would be almost 85% efficiency and that is very good; that may have to do with it being a DC motor.
A 10 amp motor generating 1 HP would be 68% efficient or about what the article stated it should be.

I only brought it up because the OP asked “what is your opinion of its good points” and the things I found attractive was the larger spindle and the higher amps based on the specs. I should have kept quite since I do not have first-hand experience with one.

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Re: Baileigh Industrial lathes -- Good? Bad? Other? new [Re: NCPaladin]
      #6503894 - 09/15/13 07:28 PM

NCPaladin said:

I only brought it up because the OP asked “what is your opinion of its good points” and the things I found attractive was the larger spindle and the higher amps based on the specs.


Since my only lathe thus far is the Jet Mini with its 1" x 8 TPI spindle, is there a mechanical or other advantage to the 1.25" Baileigh spindle over the 1" spindle? TIA.

Quote:

I should have kept quite since I do not have first-hand experience with one.


As the OP, let me say that all input is much appreciated, since it helps me sort through some of the varying +'s and -'s of the various lathes out there. I find it all educational and thank all of you for the info you've so generously posted.

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Re: Baileigh Industrial lathes -- Good? Bad? Other? new [Re: RokJok]
      #6504070 - 09/16/13 04:02 AM

Only advantage to the larger spindle is if you own two lathes. The larger will likely have an larger spindle, so you can swap chucks rather than inserts.

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Re: Baileigh Industrial lathes -- Good? Bad? Other? new [Re: NCPaladin]
      #6504120 - 09/16/13 06:33 AM

Finally see what you folks are seeing same thing you folks see on data plate in fourth picture on Baileigh lathe if leave cursor over it long enough. Apologize for being a pinhead, looking at same lathes with same motors and data plates without seeing drove me crazy.

NCPaladin, apologize for not reading all specs completely missed larger spindle too.

Is the tool rest bigger too? Specs in G0658 manual list smaller size than Baileigh spec sheet! A beefier spindle and tool rest definitely plus features.

I have been wrong on so many levels will stop posting in this thread.

Please tell us how you make out with your new Baileigh lathe.

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Re: Baileigh Industrial lathes -- Good? Bad? Other? new [Re: Wildwood]
      #6505063 - 09/17/13 12:03 AM

WW, thanks for the well-wishes. However, without having reverse, I will likely not get either the Griz or the Baileigh.

Although others feel that reverse is not needed, I am specifically looking for a reversible lathe for sanding. The hunt continues...


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Re: Baileigh Industrial lathes -- Good? Bad? Other? new [Re: RokJok]
      #6505881 - 09/17/13 04:36 PM

For just a little more you can get the new Jet. It seems that is far to much for that lathe.

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Re: Baileigh Industrial lathes -- Good? Bad? Other? new [Re: RokJok]
      #6505890 - 09/17/13 04:42 PM

Roc

I started off with the PSI lathe and now they have one bigger and better for a cheaper price then you have shown.

PSI Lathe

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