Chris Rosenberger
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Saturday I attended a tour of the White Water Shaker Village in Hamilton County, OH. It was sponsored by Popular Woodworking Magazine & Freud Tools. the Freud truck was there & they demoed the Freud Premier Fusion P410 blade. I have been a die hard Forrest WWII for years, but I was very impressed with the Freud blade. Anyone have experience with this blade?
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Chris
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vapochilled
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Chris Rosenberger said:
Saturday I attended a tour of the White Water Shaker Village in Hamilton County, OH. It was sponsored by Popular Woodworking Magazine & Freud Tools. the Freud truck was there & they demoed the Freud Premier Fusion blade. I have been a die hard Forrest WWII for years, but I was very impressed with the Freud blade. Anyone have experience with this blade?
which one? the P410? I have it, love it
I did drop mine and broke three teeth, I went back to woodcraft and the freud rep happened to be there, gave me a new blade on the spot, for my own stupidity.
I've had three dealings with freud, and based soley on those interactions, I'd buy freud in a heart beat, couple that with the fact that the blade is a gem, and I'm a life long fan.
great blade, plenty of meat on it for future sharpening
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Chris Rosenberger
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Thanks for the reply.
Yes it was a P410.
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Chris
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Chris Rosenberger said:
Anyone have experience with this blade?
Yes.
Great blade.
It doesn't tolerate misaligned saws well.
So I spent a hour tuning mine after installation.
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knotscott
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I saw the Fusion demoed by Jerry Coles for Peachtree when it first came out and was impressed....never a free lunch ya know! It's different than most 40T general purpose blades, and does some things better, but there's also a price to pay to get that performance. The Infinity Super General 010-044 is very similar...both are Hi-ATB grinds with 30° bevels (vs 10° - 20°), and both have a dual side grind and very low side clearance. The plus side is that they're superior at ply, veneers, fine crosscuts, and polished rip cuts. The downside is that the Hi-ATB tend to abrade more rapidly than teeth with a lower bevel. The high bevel is also not as efficient at ripping as a lower bevel. The dual side grind combined with the low side clearance gives a very highly polished edge....however, if the wood is moist, prone to burning, warped, the saw's alignment isn't quite right, or the wood is very thick and the feed rate slows, burning is more likely to occur.
I haven't yet spun a P410 on my own saw (waiting for a good sale!), but can say that the Super General is the cleanest cutting general purpose/combo blade that I've used to date....I'd expect very similar results from the P410. The WWII, TS2000, Gold Medal, and DW7657 are more efficient rippers, but will have more tear out in crosscuts and ply than the P410 or Super General. Also note that the WWII and TS2000 are available in full or thin kerf (plus the WWII is available in a 30T version), while the GM is a mid kerf blade at 0.111", and the 7657, P410, and Super General are full kerf only. As with many things, it really boils down to suitability for what you do and what the need is, as opposed to one being clearly superior to the other.
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CrackPotWoody
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I have a P410 - I just used it for the first time last weekend.
I had the older F410(discontinued) on the saw and loved it. Its due for sharpeneing, so I changed it out and put a P410 on, cut about 15 lf. of cherry and maple and I didn't really like it as much as the F410. I got some burning and the cut just wasn't as smooth to me.
Maybe a lil tweaking would help, but I'll being putting the f410 back on when I get it back from Ridge Carbide sharpening.
anyone want to buy a slightly used P410 PM me ? I would take a reasonable offer, or it'll just stay as my spare.
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gsmayes
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I own a P410 and HO Schumacher TK 24-tooth and 60-tooth blades.
First, the P410 lost a tooth somehow and I haven't sent it back to freud yet. Second, I wouldn't recommend the P410 as a dedicated blade on a contractor saw. I have the Delta 36-979 and it can't handle ripping hardwoods with the P410. I've aligned my saw with the PALS and still get a lot of burning and have to use a very slow feed rate to prevent stalling (even with 3/4 soft maple). It's a great blade for cross-cutting and plywood, it gives me a smoother cut than the 60-tooth blade. I have to use the 24-tooth blade for any thick ripping, and I then have to run the piece through the jointer to clean it up.
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Woodenfish
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I think the Freud Fusion blade cuts as good as the Forrest WWII but it just does seem to require more frequent sharpening. YMMV
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MichaelCurtis
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Loc: South Carolina
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I've had one for two years now. Works great. I can't imagine a WWII is any better. And based on the reviews I've read, it's just as good as the WWII.
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Orange
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I have used both the WW2 and P410 extensively. In my opinion the Freud P410 is the better blade. Stays sharp longer, cuts smoother - almost glass smooth edges, more technologically advanced than the WW2.
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