woodsman83192
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Registered: 09/18/07
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Loc: Wisconsin
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Started a shed a month ago. Storage in one part, with a front area dedicated as a woodworking shop. So the shop will be about 24x28.
All I do is hobby work when I have the time on holiday, with some weekends, etc. Probably will not be doing grand woodworking projects, but I make trunks, desks, benches, stands, boxes, etc.
Plan on only needing dust collection for sanding operations (belt sander, hand sanding, ROS), table saw hookup, with eventually a planer and jointer.
So a decent sized hobby shop where I only make a fair bit of dust, but I want to keep it clean because of my allergies.
So, the question is, what kind of dust collector should I get for this type of work?
I don't know if I should go with a cyclone, a simple 1 or 2 bag 1.5HP Delta, a canister unit, or what...
The collector should be relatively portable, because it will be placed in the same room as I am working (most of the time, so I want a mildly quiet one) but I will try and lay out the shop so most of the dusty tools are near each other.
I am not going to get a fancy duct system over head and all that, probably have one that is constantly hooked to the table saw, then have another tube that I can plug into different tools as I need them (most likely a big dust hood for the sanding operations and routing).
Should I get a big hanging air filter as well, to keep the whole area clean?
I will only be working on one project at a time, and I'm going for simplicity over an expensive, massive setup.
Hopefully this is enough information so you can direct me in the right direction. I am use to just working out on the drive way with a mask, so now I need an area that will stay breathable and function as an open all-in-one kinda place (work area/finishing area).
Thanks
Jake
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"Above all else, he's a happy woodworker, and he'll be laid in his coffin with the most unexplainable grin on his face for he has known he has lived." -Cian
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giradman
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Registered: 09/07/04
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Loc: Winston-Salem, NC
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Hi Jake - you will likely receive a LOT of advice which will give you a variety of options - if you are interested in learning more about dust collection first, a book or video might provide you some information - one that I'm currently reading along w/ a DVD is by Sandor N. (can't pronounce that last name; but I had his earlier book on dust collection which is excellent) - only $20 on Amazon and a short but good introduction.
In addition to personal protection (masks, respirators, etc.) from saw dust, the next step is to collect the dust @ its source; although most modern portable machines have some dust collection port into their own bags/canisters, a better approach is to hook these to a portable shop vac, so my suggestion if not already owned would be to look into purchasing such a unit; these can vary a lot in price - I'd suggest spending a little extra for a 'quieter' unit, possibly auto control of your tool, and adequate capacity - I own a Fein vac which has been a great replacement for the much LOUDER less expensive units owned previously.
Your next step, especially if you plan to add more stationary tools to your work space would be portable dust collector - I have a modest shop and have a single stage 2-bag unit; it has 2 4" ports which I use primarily on my table saw, band saw, and thickness planer (have air gates to switch to the machine in use). I'm considering trying a 2-stage system either by an attachment to my current setup or a new dust collector - going this far will likely be the most you will need in your situation.
NOW, one can go further & Sandor's book & video will show you the way, but doubt that you will need to pursuit that course - good luck & let us know what you have done! 
EDIT: Also own an AFD (air filtration device) - hangs @ ceiling level on a side wall - another consideration for your shop. 
Edited by giradman (06/20/12 10:03 PM)
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woodsman83192
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Registered: 09/18/07
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Loc: Wisconsin
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Thanks for the info. So, a good option for my minimal tool usage would be to go with 1 or 2 vacs hooked up to certain machines, and then a Delta 1100 style 1 or 2 bag system. Those to just catch the big chips and then get the larger hanging air filter..?
I think that would be a good option for me. I wouldn't get them all at once, but if I can find another used shop vac and a 1 or 2 bag DC, I can start there...
Thanks
Jake
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"Above all else, he's a happy woodworker, and he'll be laid in his coffin with the most unexplainable grin on his face for he has known he has lived." -Cian
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Bill Lyman
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Loc: Darien, IL & Fripp Island, SC
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I recommend you contact Oneida Air Systems, whether you purchase from that firm or another. Two years ago I bought the 3 HP Super Dust Gorilla and attendant duct work, and am very happy. Web link, http://www.oneida-air.com/category.asp?Id=%7B93BC9067-D325-48FB-B58B-69E5FBAE3925%7D
Oneida Air Systems
1001 W. Fayette St.
Syracuse, NY 13204
Phone: 800-732-4065
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JR1
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Registered: 09/09/10
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Loc: Teller country, Co, USA
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My solution was to get a Festool CT with a HEPA filter. I can carry it up to my deck when its nice and into my house for projects. I move it to whichever machine I am using. I have a cyclone front end when I use my router table or belt sander to keep the bag from filling too fast. I only need one as I am the only one in the shop and can only use one tool at a time. I have a large air filter unit but I mostly use that to remove pollen and help my allergies. Before I got the HEPA unit I used it all the time.
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YSU65
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Registered: 04/14/05
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Loc: Binghamton, NY
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You will get lots of advice because there is no one solution for your particular needs. I have two DC's, one for the table saw, jointer, and planer. Another one for the band saw, chop saw, and RAS. I did this because the piping - PVC, keep a wide birth when I run due to the static electricity spark generated from same - was simple and not hanging all over the place. It just runs along the wall. The main unit is a Bridgewood to the table saw el all, while the smaller one is from HF, cost @150 on sale.
No matter what you do there will be dust, try to figure out how tom minimize it given your limited resources.
Good luck.
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measure once cut remeasure
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Registered: 01/07/10
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Loc: Rensselaer cty NY
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Hi Jake
The condition of your respiratory system and your allergies should be a major influence on your choice in a DC. system.
Some interesting reading that may be helpful: http://search.yahoo.com/r/_ylt=A0oG7tmcB...clone/index.cfm
It sounds like a two or three piece system would be your best bet.
1. shop vac for connection to handtools like ROS and router
2. central DC with a good filter for stationary equipment.
3. Maybe an ambient air cleaner to catch what the above two mis.
my .02
Karl
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Tim Becker 1/25/13 "I hereby promise NOT to look down my nose at people who do not own a Festool Domino. I promise to remain grounded, and to not offer suggestions unless I'm asked. I promise to not become a Festool snob."
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fredhargis
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You will be much better off with a vacuum for the hand held tools, get an expensive one if you want to reduce the noise...or a Shop Vac/Craftsman/Rigid/whatever if you can wear ear plugs. Be sure to outfit it with a good filter, the Gore CleanStream fits several of those makes and is affordable. For your big tools you will want to do some research. The Bill Pentz site linked above is great. Go straight to the FAQ section to start. To boil it down quickly: capturing the finest particles is about one thing, moving LOTS of air. Once you have them captured, there must be a way to contain them. So you need tight filtration, 1 micron or better. To move lots of air, you need a collector that will do it(ignore factory CFM ratings) and if you have 240V power a 2HP (or better) unit with a 12" impeller will do a fine job. To support it, you want the biggest duct possible running to the tools. 2 HP will support 6" ducting. If you don't have 240V power, then a 1.5HP will be the next choice. Cyclones versus single stage units is a choice you'll have to make. Cyclones are nice, but if you meet the primary criteria (air/separation) a SS does a fine job, and you can add a shop separator like a Thein.
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jsears
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Registered: 11/23/05
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Loc: Jeffersonville, Ohio
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My shop is just about the same size as yours. I checked CL religiously until I found a DC that fit into my budget. It was an older Grizzly, 2 HP, single bagger.
I ran 4" PVC duct work to all of my machines. I know most will recommend 6" duct work, but because of the very low ceiling height, and lower budget, I opted for 4". Every machine has a blast gate on it. Because of 4" duct (I assume), if more than one gate is open at the same time, I loose almost all of my dust collection. But if only one gate is open, the DC actually does a decent job. I do have some problems when planing wider boards. The large chips that come off of my planer sometimes get hung up in the short pieces of flex hose, and clog it up. But as far as dust and fines, it does very well. At some point, if the money ever becomes available, I might switch over to 6". But for now, this will have to do.
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woodsman83192
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Registered: 09/18/07
Posts: 611
Loc: Wisconsin
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Yes, that is exactly what I was thinking about today when my dad and I were working on the shed/shop combo. Due to money/need, I was going to get a cyclone hookup for the shop vac, then either the hanging air cleaner first, or the larger DC like a Delta 1200 style to follow. I don't mind having several small cheap units around for different tasks, and I think if I just run some 2.5" PVC if I want to do a small wall mounted system along the bench so I can have a sanding station, router station, and circular saw station with a dust port hookup, that would be pretty neat.
Thanks again guys for all the info!
Jake
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"Above all else, he's a happy woodworker, and he'll be laid in his coffin with the most unexplainable grin on his face for he has known he has lived." -Cian
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