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ac445ab
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Registered: 10/31/05
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Dovetail Plane
      #6008043 - 07/27/12 06:55 AM

I just finished restoring this German old dovetail plane. It cuts very well and produces a clean result.
The first pic is the plane as came to me from ebay.









This has an adjustable depth stop also, a feature not so common for dovetail planes but very useful.

Here, its story:
http://woodworkingbyhand2.blogspot.it/2012/07/dovetail-plane_27.html

Ciao,
Giuliano

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http://woodworkingbyhand2.blogspot.com/


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SeaBee1
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Re: Dovetail Plane new [Re: ac445ab]
      #6008050 - 07/27/12 07:07 AM

Very nice restoration! I have often thought I would like to try out a dovetail plane in place of using dados. I can see where the depth stop would add functionality.

Again, very nice!

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RokJok
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Re: Dovetail Plane new [Re: ac445ab]
      #6008351 - 07/27/12 10:42 AM

Giuliano, Nice job!! I like how there's some of the patina and character of a well-used tool still left on the surfaces.



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JackP
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Re: Dovetail Plane new [Re: RokJok]
      #6009074 - 07/27/12 07:27 PM

I don't understand the purpose of the depth stop. It would prevent the tapering of the cut which is the essence of sliding dovetails.

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ac445ab
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Re: Dovetail Plane new [Re: JackP]
      #6009409 - 07/28/12 09:02 AM

JackP said:


I don't understand the purpose of the depth stop. It would prevent the tapering of the cut which is the essence of sliding dovetails.



I agree, a tapered joint is much stronger but is a variant and not always desirable (for example, a mobile joint like a drawer runner).
However I found easier to cut the dovetail to max taper depth, then lift the depth stop and finish the job in few plane passes, following the layout.




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Giuliano

http://woodworkingbyhand2.blogspot.com/


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Window Guy
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Re: Dovetail Plane new [Re: ac445ab]
      #6009422 - 07/28/12 09:37 AM

What a beautiful looking plane and very nice restoration seems to work flawlessly. Nice looking shop you have there also.

Thanks for sharing !

Steve


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ac445ab
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Re: Dovetail Plane new [Re: Window Guy]
      #6009981 - 07/29/12 05:45 AM

Thank you for appreciating this plane.

Has someone a plane (planes) for cutting the female part of the joint? I would like to build one, so I need models.

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JimReed@Tallahassee
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Re: Dovetail Plane new [Re: ac445ab]
      #6010156 - 07/29/12 10:44 AM

ac445ab said:


Thank you for appreciating this plane.

Has someone a plane (planes) for cutting the female part of the joint? I would like to build one, so I need models.




Stanley tried with their #444 dovetail plane. No, it does not work well. The easiest way to make the female part is to use a (gasp!) tailed router. I think the traditional way is to use a stair saw to maike the kerfs, a dado plane to cut out the waste, and chisels or #71 router plane to finish up.


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ac445ab
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Re: Dovetail Plane new [Re: JimReed@Tallahassee]
      #6010405 - 07/29/12 04:02 PM

JimReed@Tallahassee said:


ac445ab said:


Thank you for appreciating this plane.

Has someone a plane (planes) for cutting the female part of the joint? I would like to build one, so I need models.




I think the traditional way is to use a stair saw to maike the kerfs, a dado plane to cut out the waste, and chisels or #71 router plane to finish up.




I am thinking about a modified dado plane, like this in the schematic draw. The female part of the joint could be cut in two passes, in opposite directions across the board, without sawing and finish up. Japanese planes like this exist.



A couple of nickers would be used across the grain and an adjustable depth stop would provide the right cut depth. Of course you need a proper shaped guide and more than one plane for different widths.
Do you think it could work?

Edited by ac445ab (07/29/12 04:03 PM)


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JimReed@Tallahassee
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Re: Dovetail Plane new [Re: ac445ab]
      #6010530 - 07/29/12 06:16 PM

The problem is the wood fibers. The female part of a dovetail joint is just a wedged dado. All of the cutting is across grain. Even dado planes work better with a saw kerf to cleanly slice the cross grain. It does depend on the wood species, but I think wood grain dooms all female dovetail planes to failure.

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