daveferg
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Suit yourself, but just don't come whining about water in your basement. All I was doing was suggesting another step if you still have water in the basement after installing the french drains---that and pointing out where you were wrong about gutters.
Hey, I lived in southern Calif. for years---and like 90% of the houses down there don't have gutters----but they also don't have many basements either. That's not to say the rain run-off from the roof still doesn't make a mess in gardens or sidewalks.
No one is forcing you to put on gutters----just trying to keep the facts straight.
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blindrid
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daveferg said:
Suit yourself, but just don't come whining about water in your basement. All I was doing was suggesting another step if you still have water in the basement after installing the french drains---that and pointing out where you were wrong about gutters.
Hey, I lived in southern Calif. for years---and like 90% of the houses down there don't have gutters----but they also don't have many basements either. That's not to say the rain run-off from the roof still doesn't make a mess in gardens or sidewalks.
No one is forcing you to put on gutters----just trying to keep the facts straight.
+1 - end of story. A moat? C'est la vie.
Edited by blindrid (08/30/12 01:55 PM)
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JR_
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It's going to cost me $75 in labor for the trench work 
My son wants a new skateboard. I just ordered it and told him he could have it as soon as the trench was done.
I could have just had him do it with no reward but I figured this would entice him to do it quickly 
It doesn't look like an easy dig either. It's a good part stone riddled gravel. He'll be using a digging bar to loosen the soil quite a bit. Can't wait to see him sweating 
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daveferg
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Could be worse----he could be digging on my land----what isn't full of rocks is full of tree roots! 
What a cheapskate! $75 for a trench? Your son needs to join a union to fight for a living wage.
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berone
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I don't know why you're so insistent on gutters, JR. I think you can get by just fine without them. If you really want to, go ahead and put them in, but I don't think lack of gutters will result in rain in the basement. I do fear that not putting the french drain deep enough or doing something to treat that rubble foundation will. If it's only $75 for a trench, buy him two skateboards and have him dig all the way down.
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Disposable income? Is that what I pour into the house?
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daveferg
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berone said:
I don't know why you're so insistent on gutters, JR. I think you can get by just fine without them. If you really want to, go ahead and put them in, but I don't think lack of gutters will result in rain in the basement. I do fear that not putting the french drain deep enough or doing something to treat that rubble foundation will. If it's only $75 for a trench, buy him two skateboards and have him dig all the way down.
I think you mis-read JR's comments. I was the one suggesting gutters for numerous reasons, for which I think you are mistaken. Aside from the mess that no gutters leave on sidewalks, garden beds and splashing mud against the house, carrying water "away" from the foundation is the key to maintaining a dry basement.
BTW----we went out to dinner last night and drove home past our favorite Craftsman home in town. You had to look twice (due to the design/paint job) but it had gutters.
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berone
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No, I just refuse to use emoticons. If irony is missed, so be it.
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daveferg
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berone said:
No, I just refuse to use emoticons. If irony is missed, so be it.
I use 'em.  
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JR_
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And so the job begins...(sorry, phone pic)
Starting with the removal of the topsoil. What little there is of it.
There is nothing but a dirt driveway here and there are a few sections just off the road where large puddles form. Most of the subsoil will get deposited there to level out the drive.
The rest will get dumped into the crater left by a small pool...
Rained quite heavily yesterday. Real hard for a long while and we didn't have any water come in. It must have been one heck of a downpour a few weeks ago to have had that water come in. I'm very optimistic after seeing the water drain away yesterday. That's about as bad a rain storm as we get and with nothing coming in, it must be a very infrequent instance where it does. This drain should alleviate even that possibility.
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jteneyck
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An alternative drain system, one I just had installed BTW, uses perforated 6" flexible PVC hose with a sock over it installed directly in the dug trench with no stone. It works even in the heavy clay soils where I live. It is much easier to install for a DIY project; you could put stone on top if you want it for aesthetic reasons, but it's not needed. It is pitched at 1/4" per foot.
I'm betting your son will be asking for something besides the skateboard before the trench gets finished.
John
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