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RE: SHELLAC - jteneyck - 01-25-2018 (01-25-2018, 09:57 AM)Rob Young Wrote: Everclear is the way to get small quantities of ethanol. The first nitrile gloves I had were from Home Depot, so I'm not blaming HF. KleanStrip DNA doesn't play nice with nitrile gloves, and MEK could be the reason. At this point I avoid skin contact as much as possible, and always use a respirator when spraying it. John RE: SHELLAC - jteneyck - 01-25-2018 (01-24-2018, 08:02 PM)Mr Eddie Wrote: I was reading on the Shellac.Net website about denatured alcohol. They were searching for 'high proof' and said out of ten different hardware and paint stores only Sherwin-Williams had 190 proof. However, they also said that Klean-Strip Green was 190 proof. I read the spec sheet and it says 80-90% ethanol and less than 5% methanol. It is available at Home Depot for $6.87 a quart. Has anyone used it? Wonder what makes it green? $31 for 12 oz of shellac seems high to me. You can buy Sealcoat which is 2 lbs of it in a gallon of alcohol for $40, and for a few pennies dope the color to anything you want with Transtint dye. John RE: SHELLAC - Rob Young - 01-25-2018 (01-25-2018, 10:48 AM)jteneyck Wrote: $31 for 12 oz of shellac seems high to me. You can buy Sealcoat which is 2 lbs of it in a gallon of alcohol for $40, and for a few pennies dope the color to anything you want with Transtint dye. That's the sample pack price. You are paying somebody to make up several small packages. A quick check on the web site and it also looks like that included shipping costs. At the 1# increment, the dewaxed garnet is $22/lb 1# of platina (lightest color) dewaxed is $28/lb Get above $30 on the order and you can get free shipping. So make a 2# cut of something similar to S.C. is going to cost around $56 plus the alcohol. This is more than a gallon of S.C. Yes, flakes probably cost more than a gallon of S.C. But if you want to dye it, add the cost of Transtint. $19/2oz bottle (that should be more than enough to color a gallon of S.C. plus its shipping (order from Homestead Finishing but eBay store doesn't seem to have the 2oz bottles, 8oz seems to be smallest qty plus $16.70 shipping) or sales tax if you pop into a Woodcraft. Homestead Finishing eBay store 8oz bottle $50 + $16.70 = $67.50/8oz or $16.88/2oz Woodcraft 2oz bottle (can't find 8oz) $20.50 + sales tax (say 10% to cover tax and maybe a few drops of gas for the car) = $22.55/2oz Trying not to cherry-pick numbers too much but also choosing by "buy local" for liquids : Using the Homestead Finishing cost but only 2oz from an 8oz bottle you have to add about $17 to whatever price is paid for S.C. In town I'd pay $35 at Menards. My town sales tax is 10% so that's $38.50 + 16.88 = $55.38 to color a gallon of S.C. to be "garnet". Scale back the colorant add-in if you need less than 2oz per gallon. I'm really not sure how much it would take to color a whole gallon. A gallon of KleanStrip DNA purchased here in town would be about $13 (again Menards) or $14.30 after tax. So if I make up from flakes using the garnett above, $44 + 14.3 = $58.30 Only about a $3 difference but I had to buy $50 worth of dye to get there (and assuming I only need 2oz of a single color dye). I'm still not counting in the cost of some other junk like a clean gallon paint can, maybe a coffee grinder, etc. Still though essentially a wash IF my goal is to get a sort of standard color (garnet, orange, etc). For more detailed color matching, it is a different story. I'm usually mixing up small quantities like a pint at a time. The flakes last (nearly) forever and I buy the alcohol as needed. The S.C. has date codes which may or may not be an issue but my rate of use is lower than John's. I like playing with the flakes (the shellac kind and the people kind). TL;DR -- use either flakes for S.C+dye, doesn't mater. Just step up your game and add dewaxed shellac to your finishing arsenal. RE: SHELLAC - jteneyck - 01-25-2018 (01-25-2018, 01:15 PM)Rob Young Wrote: TL;DR -- use either flakes for S.C+dye, doesn't mater. Just step up your game and add dewaxed shellac to your finishing arsenal. On that, I definitely agree. Relative to the cost, I can't remember ever having to add anywhere near a whole 2 oz. bottle of Transtint to a gallon of Sealcoat. I do some really dark toners at around 1%; that would be about 1.25 oz/gallon, but most of the toners I make are much less than that. But cost aside, the real benefit of Transtint in SC is that I can make any color I want; I'm not stuck with the stock shellac flavors, or having to buy several flavors and then having to intermix them to move the color. With SealCoat I can stick with one product and just dope the color to anything I want. Everyone chooses how to go about things. I like simple and this way is simple for me. John |